TVGO: Will you pair him with a new special someone? Whedon: I'm still trying to figure out how to bring him back to life. I don't think he's the kind of guy that would be like, "Well, that was a fun time with Buffy I think he feels that he was ready to sacrifice himself for her, and it was a beautiful thing, but Whedon: Well, I think I did in the episode.
She said very specifically she doesn't want to go and find a boyfriend. She wants to go and find herself — spend some time becoming a grown-up and finding out who she is, and then she can stop to find out who fits with that. That was the point of the whole cookie dough speech. Her internal search isn't for a boyfriend, it's for herself.
And then if true love fits into that, that would be the best thing ever. But if she instantly went off and attached herself to Angel, she'd be throwing away everything she'd just been given, which is her freedom.
It would be the last thing she would do. Well, not the last thing. She wouldn't do it until sweeps. TVGO: November sweeps? Whedon: I don't know if necessarily it will be November, but she has stated time and again that she's perfectly willing to come on and make an appearance, assuming schedules work out. Nothing's definite, but it's as sure a shot as one could hope for. Whedon: I wanted to kill somebody, and I wanted to do it brutally and suddenly and never really pay it off.
I wanted a death that was a real middle-of-the-battle death — the opposite of the Spike death, [which was] perfect, noble. And Emma had made it clear that she really was not interested in coming back.
I think things with Fox weren't great and she felt ill-used — not by the show. She had a good time making the show, I think. But she was ready to move on. But it was tough [killing her off]. The last shot before we wrapped her was that shot where she gets sliced.
And it's very weird to play your death and go, "Okay, I'm done. After that whole thing was finished, why didn't Buffy check up on Angel to find out what had happened?
I mean, didn't some of Angel's crew appear with her on national television? There are a lot of things like this that don't make sense to me unless there are some legal issues preventing logical crossover action. Instead, all we got were some one-sided phone calls, some off-screen action, and some minor character crossovers like Andrew. It just gives me the impression that someone or something has tied their hands and that they're trying to tip-toe around that someone or something. That makes sense.
I didn't watch the shows concurrently as they aired, but separately well after the fact, so I didn't pick up on the no-contact-with-the-outside-world thing.
Tranquillity That'll put marzipan in your pie plate bingo. Joined Mar 14, Messages 2, Location Australia. See, i do think he's told Buffy that he's alive and we just didn't get to see it. I think he would have called Buffy after Fred died, when he becomes convinced that he's needed to help Angel in LA.
I don't see his decision not to tell Buffy straight away as cowadice - i see it as him wanting to see if he can be a 'good guy' without the her aid.
Angel and Lindsey both imply that he's only good because of what he wants from Buffy and so by staying in LA and not contacting her he's testing himself, proving that he really is good beyond his feelings for Buffy. I have this whole big theory ok, maybe its a fanwank - whatever! Competativeness between the vampires? Because at this stage she doesn't trust Angel because he works at wolfram and hart.
B Blondie Bear I love that you pointed these out; I hadn't thought of this until you said it, but it makes so much sense! Isn't there some missing time unaccounted for? Didn't Joss say season 8 takes place a year and a half after season seven placing it after Angel season 5 which commenced just nineteen days after the the Final Fight in Sunnydale? Joined Sep 30, Messages 16, Age 74 Location rome, georgia.
I had personally always thought that sometime either before or after Spike's performance at the Poetry Slam, he at least TRIED to call Buffy to tell her that he was back. In all honesty, I also thought that Angel would try to call for the same reason, and to apologize for not telling her about Spike's return as soon as it happened it would be the honorable thing to do, and Angel considers himself to be an honorable man.
If they had still been working under the assumption that Buffy was in Rome, they might have gotten the fake Buffy, in which case one or both vampires know they were lied to by Andrew, or they might have gotten Andrew himself, in which case one or both of them might have left some parting message I can see Spike leaving some sort of, "It is a far, far better thing I do.. Gosh, WA, do you really think Giles wouldn't pass on a "before I die" message? On a semi-related topic, I just had this memory of my dad doing something similar.
When I was a teenager, I briefly dated this stoner guy. My dad's favorite thing to say about this boy was, "that boy has no character. Out of nowhere.
I had practically forgotten about him. I don't know what my reaction would have been had I seen him probably "Huh? He said the guy asked whether or not I was home and that, even though I actually was at home, my dad lied and sent the boy on his way.
When I asked him why, my dad said, "That boy was not for you. I couldn't be mad about it. I think I was engaged or even married by then. I guess I can see Giles "protecting" Buffy in like manner. Then again, Buffy's no teenager and this boy of mine wasn't about to die for the good of the world again.
I have no doubt whatsoever that, if any such note were delivered, Giles would somehow intercept it exactly the way he intersepted Angel's request for help from Willow when Fred was dying. He has proved time and again that he does not approve of either Angel or Spike, going so far as to try to murder Spike when he knew that Buffy desperately needed all the help that she could get in the upcoming fight.
We know that Giles is no longer associated with whatever group succeeded the old Watchers' Council while Buffy and her friends obviously did, hence the Scottish castle headquarters and all of its state of the art equipment and an obviously sizable operating budget.
It takes no stretch of my imagination to envision the ill feelings existing between Gilles and Buffy even developing into near hostility on both sides, and even dragging the Scoobies into it with Buffy, since they obviously are still working with her and Giles, by his own admission, is not.
Carrying that logic further, it would be completely within Andrew's character to openly work with the Council and the Slayers while actually being Giles' "secret agent" infiltrating the organization and passing information on to Giles. He might even have recruited a small force of Slayers to his cause, and they were the girls who accompanied Andrew to LA to retrieve Dana, taking her, not back to the Watchers' Council, but to somewhere under the care of Giles or someone associated with him.
I get the cats, the dogs. I tend to meet a lot of interesting people who are fans. I met someone who helped design the Mars Rover and a woman who spoke 16 languages.
They're dressed as Wookies, Vulcans, but if you talk to them and you find out they're very fascinating. Most fans are smart and funny and don't take themselves seriously and it's a great combination.
I'm a fanboy, I was dressed as a Vulcan going to conventions when I was I'm with my people. It was so good. We were all well rested, for once. When we worked on Buffy were known around town as Buffy the Weekend Slayer, because we worked up to 20 hours a day on that show.
Most TV shows go 12 hours and 12 was a minimum day on Buffy. So we were tired on a level I never knew existed and I've never been that tired again.
But when we got together for the reunion, we were all well rested. We weren't worried anymore about making the show. There's something weird that happens, when the scripts are that good, the responsibility to live up to it is huge and everyone's really trying their best to do it but also worried they'll fail all the time.
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